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» 片总的胜利,政府官员:中国过于依赖安卓系统
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    Officials: China is 'toodependent on Android'
    
    政府官员:中国“过于依赖安卓系统”
    
    That's the word from the ChinaMinistry of Industry and Information Technology, which complained that the coreAndroid technology is "strictly controlled by Google."
    
    这句话出自中国工业与信息化部,他们抱怨安卓的核心技术“被谷歌公司严格控制”
    
    Watch out, Google: Android is underscrutiny in China.
    
    谷歌小心了 :在中国,安卓是处于监察之下的
    
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    The Chinese Ministry of Industryand Information Technology today released a white paper that takes aim atGoogle's Android operating system. Theministry said that Android's popularity has caused the country to become"too dependent" on the operating system. And although other companieshave tried to build on top of Android, the ministry complained that theoperating system's "core technology and technology road map is strictlycontrolled by Google."
    
    中国工业与信息化部今天(3月5日)发布的白 皮书直指谷歌的安卓操作系统。该部门表示,安卓的流行已经致使该国变得“过度依赖”此操作系统。虽然其他公司已经设法在安卓上面做开发,但该部门抱怨该操作系统的“核心技术和技术路线受到谷歌公司的严格控制”
    
    Reuters was first to obtain the white paper and report on it.
    Android's popularity is growing in leaps and bounds. Inthe fourth quarter, the operating system landed 70.1 percent of the smartphone market shareworldwide, easilyoutpacing iOS at 21 percent. A key reason for Android's success is China.
    
    路透社第一个获得此白 皮书,并对此进行了报道。安卓系统的增长普及是如此迅速。在去年第四季度,该操作系统占全球智能手机市场份额的70.1% ,轻易地胜过了ios(苹果系统iphone operating system)21个百份比,而安卓如此成功的关键是中国。
    
    In December, market researcherInforma announced that worldwide Android shipments in 2012 would hit 461million units. One-third of all Android devices shipped were sent to China. Informa also said that Android isrunning on two-thirds of all smartphones in China.
    
    去年十二月,市场研究公司Informa宣布, Android平台的手机在2012年全球范围的出货量将达到4.61亿台,三分之一的安卓系统手机出货被销往中国。该研究公司还说,在中国有三分之二的智能手机上运行安卓操作系统。
    
    That the ministry has taken issuewith Android could spell trouble for Google. The report didn't propose anyregulations on Android or request for changes, but China has in the past placedonerous terms on popular companies.
    
    该部门对安卓提出的异议,可能会给谷歌带来麻烦。该白 皮书没有对安卓提出任何管理措施,也没有向谷歌公司要求进行任何改变,但中国过去有过向著名公司施加具有法律义务的监管条例的先例。
    
    Google knows something about that.As the company's search platform was soaring in China, the government requestedthat it censor search results. After a long-fought battle that saw Googlecensor some results for a period of time, the company decided to move itsoperation to Hong Kong. Baidu, its chiefcompetitor in China,is the dominant search platform in that country.
    
    谷歌知道这一点。当他们的搜索平台在中国高速崛起之时,中国政府要求谷歌对搜索结果进行审查。经过激烈的斗争,谷歌在一段时间里对部分结果进行了审查,但之后谷歌公司决定将其服务器迁往香港。百度,是其在中国的主要竞争对手,已经在该国的搜索平台上占据主要地位。
    
    Although there's currently no majorplatform, aside from iOS, that's a possible threat to Android, the ministrypointed to Baidu's own Android alternative as the right step forward. Whether China willofficially throw its support behind that operating system, however, remains tobe seen.
    
    虽然现今除了iOS,没有主要的手机操作平台可以威胁到安卓,不过该政府部门指出,百度自己的安卓替代产品正在朝正确的方向前进。而中国是否会正式支持那个操作系统,仍需观察。
    
    CNET has contacted Google forcomment on the ministry's report. We will update this story when we have moreinformation.
    
    CNET(注:该网站)已经就此报告联系了谷歌公司,当我们有更多信息的时候,我们会更新这件事件。
    
    
    
    评论翻译:
    
    "the ministry pointed toBaidu's own Android alternative as the right step forward."
    And this reduces said "dependency" HOW exactly? It's same code base?I can't see what's the fuss is all about and they're clearly smoke screeningthe definitive terms; not Android but Android's monetization, to suddenly throwa huge one at Google. Remember that this is probably the 1st company to everdefy the ironclad "give us your data" national rule... well ruffledmore than a few pubic hair that much is obvious.
    Ubuntu, Tizen, Firefox and Sailfish are all incoming? So there's more thanenough stuff for them to use and more importantly LEARN FROM to fork their own.
    Postedby Suomynona.Eno (17 comments )
    March 5, 2013 7:53 AM(PST)Like (3) Reply Link Flag
    
    “该政府部门指出,百度自己的安卓替代产品正在朝正确的方向前进”
    
    这个减少“依赖”的说法究竟如何?这是相同的基本代码?突然对谷歌抛了一个棘手的麻烦。这不是对安卓系统, 而是对安卓的盈利, 他们显然是在隐瞒那些决定性的条款, 所有这些我看不出有甚么好大惊小怪的。记住,这可能是有史以来第一家公司对抗“把你的数据给我们”这种严格的国家规定。哎, 这比竖起为数不多的几根卷毛更明显。
    Ubuntu, Tizen, Firefox 和 Sailfish(注:都是操作系统)都引进来了么?所以这里有非常充足的材料供他们使用,更重要的是他们可以从中学习去打造自己的系统。
    
    Simply put,Baidu is controlled by China,and Chinacan then pull, recode, add/remove any code they want standard in the platformand thus control the flow of information. Even track someones habits, socialgroups, etc.
    In general, spy on it's citizens.
    Posted by Adrayven (205comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:36 AM(PST)Like (7) Link Flag
    
    简单的说, 百度是被中国控制了的, 那么中国就能在那些平台上覆盖、重新编码、增加/删除任何要规范的代码, 从而控制大量的信息流。。甚至监看一些人的习惯、社交团体等等。总的来说就是暗中监视其公民。
    
    How brave of Google to defy whatyou call the "give us your data national rule". We have the samething in the United States.They are called subpoenas and search warrants and are issued all of the time toGoogle in civil, criminal and regulatory matters. Google has to comply withthose lawful orders or they can object. For some reasons Americans think it isdifferent when Chinese regulatory and legal authorities issue the sameequivalent requests.
    Postedby westwoodwizard (7 comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:38 AM(PST)Like (4) Link Flag
    
    谷歌是多么勇敢,敢于对抗你所说的“把你的数据给我们的国家规定”。在美国我们也有同样的事情。在民事,刑事和监管事宜上,他们每时每刻给谷歌发出传票及搜查令。谷歌必须服从这些法定程序,或者他们可以反对。因为一些原因,美国人觉得这与中国有同样目的的监管和法律法规是不同的。
    
    I agree they should stop this sillystuff. If they want to control the OS they need to write one. Android even letsyou look at their code. Sure you will lose compatibility with but at least youwill be able to censor. Like complaining that the free candy in the office isnot the flavor you like.
    Postedby Alex_Darkness (62 comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:42 AM(PST)Like (3) Link Flag
    
    我同意他们应该停止这种无聊的废话。如果他们想要控制操作系统,他们需要自己写一个。安卓甚至可以让你看它的代码。当然你一定会失去兼容性,但最少你可以检查它。这就像抱怨办公室里的免费糖果不是你喜欢的味道一样。
    
    @westwoodwizard
    Its not the same. At least in the US, as well as many othercountries, a subpeona or search warrant is necessary in many cases. The way thisarticle is spelling everything out, China wouldn't need the equivalent.They could simply have code built in to the phone's OS that would store/sendthe information they would have needed to subpeona for in the first place.
    Posted by hashref (386comments )
    March 5, 2013 9:06 AM(PST)Like (1) Link Flag
    
    @westwoodwizard,这是不同的,至少在美国,以及其他很多国家,在很多情况下传票和搜查证是必须的。这篇文章已经阐明了一切,中国不需要被同等对待。他们能简单地在电话的操作系统上建置代码, 这系统将会储存或发送信息, 为此他们将首先需要传召。
    
    @hashref, search warrants andsubpeona's are pre-9/11 stuff.
    Both Bush and unfortunately, Obama, strongly support the patriot act whichundid most of due process stuff - apparently americans think they are saferwithout it.
    And the result is, that it is quite confusing to tell the difference between China and the U.S. on a lot of these things. Weare slightly more tolerant of porn? OK. But the differences really aren'tmajor.
    Posted by SoupFly22 (122comments )
    March 5, 2013 9:25 AM(PST)Like (4) Link Flag
    
    @hashref,搜查证和传票是911事件之前的事了。很不幸,布什和奥巴马都强烈的支持爱国者法案,此法案破坏了大部份的’法定诉讼程序’,但显然美国人认为他们在没有’法定诉讼程序’后更安全了
    由此可见,在很多这类事情上, 很难去区分美国和中国的差别。我们对色情片是稍微地更宽容点?好了,但这区别真的不是主要的。
    
    @westwoodwizard
    It is different but if I have to explain the concept of spy nation vs. awarrant you wouldn't understand it. Or why we citizens are opposed to thingsthat move the USAaway from warrants and such and closer to Big Brother.
    Posted by RenegadeKnight (13681 comments )
    March 5, 2013 10:28 AM(PST)Like (1) Link Flag
    
    @westwoodwizard。这是不同的,要是我解释国家监视的概念与有一张手令有何差别, 你不会明白。或者说这就是我们的人民为什么反对使美国远离保證的那些事情而如此靠近“老大哥”(注:英国小说<1984>中的独裁者)的原因。
    
    If China can't control something(Google or any other foreign entity), it will outlaw its usage or otherwiseblock it.
    Except of course the hacker attacks originating in China and directed against UScompanies the government. In this case China insists that it doesn't knowwho doing is hacking and can't control it.
    Postedby gork_platter (1921 comments )
    March 5, 2013 12:18 PM(PST)Like (1) Link Flag
    
    如果中国不能控制某样东西(谷歌或任何外国实体),他会宣布这个公司的行为不合法或封了它。当然,那些源于中国并针对美国公司、政府的黑客攻击除外。这时中国会坚持说他并不知道是谁做的,也无法控制。
    
    @Renegade Knight I'm sure all of usare aware of the difference between a 'Spy Nation' and one that requires dueprocess. But let's not kid ourselves in to believing that our rights have beenrigidly defended from erosion in the name of justice and safety. While many caninsist that a warrant is necessary for accessing our personal information, Ican assure you, that as we speak personal information is being gathered withouta warrant and most likely without even probable cause. We have progressed intoa society that believes it is better to ask for forgiveness after the fact thanto seek permission before hand.
    Posted by eswinson (862comments )
    March 5, 2013 3:03 PM(PST)Like Link Flag
    
    @RenegadeKnight我相信我们都清楚“国家监视”与需要法定诉讼程序之间的区别。但美名曰正义与安全的机制已经腐蚀,我们不要如此幼稚的相信我们的权利会得到它的严格保护。很多人会坚持说访问我们的个人信息必须得到授权,我可以肯定的告诉你,现在我们所说的个人信息已经被搜集,但并没有授权而且大部分似乎甚至没有一个大概的理由。我们已经到了一个认为’先斩后奏’比’事先请示’会更好的社会。
    
    OK, Mr. Minister. I agree with you.Chinais too dependent upon the core Android technology.
    Will you agree with me that the United States is too dependent on Chineseoutsourced manufacturing?
    I agree with your right to limit Android in China. Don't fall off your chairwhen the calls come to limit Chinese manufacturing of goods sold in America.
    The blind and nearly religious devotion to internationalism never has an answerfor the obvious dual standards employed by various nations. The basis of tradepolicy must be national advantage. The rest is BS (cough) I mean philosophy.
    Posted by tg_iv (1533comments )
    March 5, 2013 3:07 PM(PST)Like (1) Link Flag
    
    好,部长先生,我赞同你的观点,中国太依赖安卓核心技术。而美国太依赖中国的外贸制造业,你是否赞同我呢?我赞同你限制在中国的安卓。但当美国限制中国制造的商品在美国销售的消息传来时,你不要惊讶。各个国家明显的双重标准永远无法通过盲目和近乎宗教献身的国际主义来解决。国家受益是贸易政策的基本原则。其余的都是狗屁(咳咳),我的意思是说这是哲理。
    
    Well at least they're not in awalled garden or brain wash by a fruit company. This is actually good news.Android is really flexible, they have to work with it. Build a new UI with itadd some cool widgets, add some free porn and your good to go.
    Posted by cyang00 (157comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:05 AM(PST)Like (2) Reply Link Flag
    
    好吧至少他们没有在围墙里生活或者被一个果品公司洗脑。这其实是一个好消息。安卓真的需要改变,他们必须去做这项工作。建立一个新的用户界面,添加一些酷的小工具,添加一些免费的毛片,然后你好走。
    
    Ah yes...the prerequisites ofFandroids.
    Widgets and porn.
    Very cool.
    Posted by Waveneyman (46comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:48 AM(PST)Like (5) Link Flag
    
    哈,对,安卓宅(迷)的先決條是小插件及色情片。非常酷~
    
    So, what's going on is cause forconcern, jeopardize Google's control of Android in China, fork Android so that it's amethod for spying on its citizens...
    But hey... you'd take all that so long as it's not Apple.
    Word to the wise, stay on your meds.
    Posted by endinyal (12comments )
    March 5, 2013 9:22 AM(PST)Like (1) Link Flag
    
    所以呢,将到来的事情会涉及并危害到谷歌在中国 对安卓的控制,定制的安卓是中国监视人民的方法。但,嘿~~,你将花费很长的时间,因为这不是苹果公司。聪明的话,还是自己好好待着。
    
    Just hope Google tells China to take aflying leap if it insists on changing or controlling any android code.
    Postedby EducatedPanther (213 comments )
    March 5, 2013 1:06 PM(PST)Like Link Flag
    
    只希望谷歌告诉中国,如果中国继续坚持改变或者控制任何安卓编码,谷歌将果断撤离
    
    "they're not in a walled garden or brain wash by a fruit company. This isactually good news"
    You know Chinese people are living behind the Great Firewall of China, right?And you know there is little freedom, human right or rule of law there, right?
    Are you judging mere for what phone people use, and then concluded that it is agood thing (to depend on Android rather than Apple)? I sincerely wish not!
    If you like Android, fine. Unfortunately your comment looks cool blooded in myeyes!
    Postedby firebodybuilder (18 comments )
    March 6, 2013 12:21 AM(PST)Like Link Flag
    
    “好吧至少他们没有在围墙里生活或者被一个果品公司洗脑”
    
    你知道中国人生活在防火墙之下,对不对?而且你知道那里没有自由、人权或者法律,对不对?你是不是仅仅依靠人们所用的手机作为依据(依赖安卓而不是苹果),然后得出结论说那是一件好事?我真心的希望你不是这样想的!如果你爱安卓,那很好。但可惜的是,你的评论在我的眼里是那么的冷血!
    
    Did you really mean this?
    "no major platform, aside from iOS, that's a possible threat toAndroid"
    Honestly?
    Ah, well, we're all screwed here in Blighty then, far too dependant on Androidtoo. Although there was a distinct lack of any tangible negatives involvedhere. Seems very airy-fairy, ohh, too dependant..
    Please elaborate? Oh, you know, used too much, too dependant.
    Posted by boothyp (73comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:10 AM(PST)Like (1) Reply Link Flag
    
    你的意思真的是这样的?“虽然现今除了iOS,没有主要的手机操作平台可以威胁到安卓”。真的?哈,好的,我们都被弄得晕头转向了,我们这里也是太依赖安卓了。虽然这里明显缺乏任何确实的依据。看起来好像非常不明确,噢,太依赖了。请详尽阐述好么?噢,你知道,使用得太多,太依赖了。
    
    I'm sure that a higher percentageof their computers use Windows but don't hear them complaining about Microsoft.
    Postedby jmonty--2008 (1154 comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:31 AM(PST)Like (4) Reply Link Flag
    
    我敢肯定他们电脑使用Windows的比例会更高,但没听过他们抱怨微软。
    
    That is because Microsoft turns ablind eye to Pirating. Since people in Chinaare not going to pay for anything they don't have to, Microsoft would ratherpeople in Chinapirate their software. Get them used to and learning a particular platform.
    Postedby kieranmullen (1054 comments )
    March 5, 2013 11:33 AM(PST)Like Link Flag
    
    那是因为微软对盗版熟视无睹。从这以后,对那些不一定要支付就可以得到的东西,中国人是不准备付款的。微软宁愿给中国盗版它的软件。让他们习惯和学习一个特殊的平台。
    
    Officials: China too dependent on Communistparty - It's time to change that! Contrary to Android, this regime is notpopular, it's forced on people.
    Posted by evergeen16 (24comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:33 AM(PST)Like (3) Reply Link Flag
    
    官方:中国太依赖cc p了。是时候改变了,与安卓相反的是,这个团体不受欢迎,是强加于民的。
    
    So is the 2 party system in the USA.Being able to vote for any communist candidate you want is about the same asbeing able to vote for anyone you want but only the two factions of thecorporate party can actually win.
    Posted by RenegadeKnight (13681 comments )
    March 5, 2013 10:30 AM (PST)Like (2) Link Flag
    
    在美国确实有两个政党。你可以任意投票给任何党派的任何人,但现实是只有那两个政党团体才可能获胜。
    
    To controlled? Pot meet kettle...
    Posted by ScottMog (94comments )
    March 5, 2013 8:49 AM(PST)Like (3) Reply Link Flag
    
    要控制?强盗遇到土匪了。。(注:锅遇到壶,来源the pot calling the kettle black)
    
    Oh goodness no. As soon as thegovernment so much as thinks someone else is gaining control they have to reignit in. See, that government has to maintain all control all the time.
    Postedby MegaProcrastination (1817 comments )
    March 5, 2013 9:01 AM(PST)Like (2) Link Flag
    
    我的天,当政府认为其他人正在增加控制权时,他们必须将人们置于统治之下。看,政府必须保持每时每刻的全面控制。
    
    Memo to China: TINSTAAFL!!
    Posted by -fjtorres- (226comments )
    March 5, 2013 9:13 AM(PST)Like (1) Reply Link Flag
    Oh the irony!
    Posted by AWWsteve (7comments )
    March 5, 2013 9:37 AM (PST)Like Reply Link Flag
    Sounds likesomeone just got a fat paycheck from Apple just to say that statement...Apple's just pissy because their market share is only strong in the States...The rest of the world has Android for the most part...
    Posted by FattyMowMow (2comments )
    March 5, 2013 10:02 AM(PST)Like (1) Reply Link Flag
    
    这听起来像刚刚从苹果公司领取巨额薪水的人所说的声明。。苹果的系统弱小,是因为他们的市场份额只有在美国才是比较大的。世界的其他地方多是安卓的天下。
    
    what, another soft power failure inChina?
    Posted by stroyde (20comments )
    March 5, 2013 11:22 AM(PST)Like Reply Link Flag
    
    什么,这是另一个在中国的软实力失败?
    
    Hey ... China ... that's okay. Our Americanindustry will continue to invest in you - we don't care about how you jerk usaround and your people too ... as long as we can make a lotsa bucks from it.
    Hey - we will even continue letting you make our micro-processor components forour military weapons ... even the top secret ones - you know - the ones thatwe've found that you are counterfeiting and planting spy software in.
    Heck - we're America- we always come out ahead ... well, we only if you consider 2% of us ... wedon't really care about the 98%. Heck, we have more in common that most folksrealize.
    Postedby AStepInTime (100 comments )
    March 6, 2013 5:58 AM(PST)Like Reply Link Flag
    
    嘿,,中国,,很好啊,我们美国的工业界会继续在你那里投资——我们不在乎你一直骗我们和你的人民,只要我们可以从中得到很多的钱。嘿,我们甚至可以继续让你制造我们军队武器的电脑处理器。。即使是最高机密的那一个-,你懂的,就是那个我们发现你们伪造并植入监视软件的东西。见鬼啊,我们是美国人,我们总是走在前面的,,。,好,只需要你考虑我们2%人的利益,我们真的不在乎其他98%的人。见鬼,我们的共同之处比大多数人意识到的更多
    
    Why is CNET republishing Chinese propaganda without questioning it?
    Posted by FirstLast12 (8comments )
    March 6, 2013 6:01 PM (PST)
    
    为什么CNET没有探询它就重新发表了这个中国的宣传呢?
    
网友评论(1272599)2013-03-12 09:39


    壮大我山寨机!
    
网友评论(1399822)2013-03-12 13:33


    有本事让安卓和谷哥一样离开中国。
    
网友评论(17123127)2013-03-12 13:36


    长求总。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
    

    
    
    

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