» 中国正在抢购密歇根湖水。。评论有亮点。。。
Barack Obama’s war on America’s fresh water supply: China is buying up Lake Michigan’s water
Barack Obama is keeping his promise to lower the sea levels, and he’s starting with the drought plagued Midwest where Lake Michigan water is being shipped by the boat loads over to China! By using a little known loophole in the 2006 Great Lakes Compact, Obama minions are allowing Nestle Company to export precious fresh water out of Lake Michigan to the tune of an estimated $500,000 to $1.8 million per day profit. By draining the precious jewel of the Great Lakes in the middle of America, our federal water managers are allowing the export of our water out of our country across thousands of miles of oceans into the Asian basin plagued by huge population centers who are suffering from their constant lack of fresh water. How’s that for cutting America down to size?
http://www.coachisright.com/barack-obamas-war-on-americas-fresh-water-supply-china-is-buying-up-lake-michigans-water/
So much for the Great Lakes Compact between Great Lakes states and Canada to prevent the draining of the lakes. Warmists blame global warming for the plummeting water levels in the Great Lakes. Now we know the real reason.
1 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:01:27 by chessplayer (楼主)
Seriously...
The Chinese will piss that water into their sewage systems, where it will eventually find its way back into the natural environment, where it will evaporate, then turn to clouds which blow into the Pacific, then fall as rain over North America - thus finding its way back home again.
This is much ado about nothing, methinks.
2 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:06:14 by Windflier
认真地。。。
中国人会把这些水弄脏，然后排到下水系统中，最终这些污水回到自然环境中，然后再蒸发，变成太平洋中的云朵，然后变成雨落在北美洲中，以这种方式，这些水回到了它们的家。
在我看来，这就是无事生非。
So where are the eco-socialists? Oh that’s right, they want us to be just like china.
3 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:06:56 by Aglooka
所以生态社会主义者们在哪里？噢，对了，他们希望我们变的和中国一样呢。
Sounds like Nestle is actually ripping off the Chinese.
4 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:10:33 by Vince Ferrer
听起来好像是雀巢实际上是在欺诈中国人。
To: Windflier
If thats the way it works, why are water levels still plummeting? Lake Michigan levels are over two feet lower than long term average.
5 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:13:50 by chessplayer (楼主)
回复Windflier：
如果是以这种方式运作的话，那为什么水位还在直线下降？密歇根湖的水位可比长期的平均值低了2英尺了。
So is this saying that Nestl water is coming from Lake Michigan?
6 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:14:17 by petitfour
所以这是在说雀巢矿泉水是来自于密歇根湖的？
To: Windflier
Water levels have been in a downward spiral since the 1990’s. The water isn’t being replenished.
7 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:17:21 by chessplayer(楼主)
给Windflier：
从20世纪90年代开始水位已经呈螺旋式下降了。现在水已经充不满了。
I’m having a hard time imagining that there’s any possibility of transporting sufficient quantities of water by ship to affect the Great Lakes to any noticeable extent.
8 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:20:28 by Bob
我很难想象用船来运输足够数量的水从而在一定规模上影响五大湖这种事情的可行性。
To: petitfour
This has to be a joke. Who’d drink Great Lake water? Here in Alaska, we have unreal amounts of fresh glacial water running to the sea to become salty. Chinese need to come to Ak for water if they need it; we’ll sell it cheap too.
9 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:20:57 by Eska
这完全就是个玩笑。谁会去喝五大湖的水呢？在阿拉斯加，我们有大量的冰川水流向大海然后变成咸水。如果中国人需要水他们可以来阿拉斯加，我们还会卖的很便宜哦。
To: petitfour
this is not important.
the article says nestle can sell 250,000 gallons a day as bottled water.
at that rate it would take 14,000 years to empty the lake (assuming no net additions or deletions of current water).
By then, there is a good chance the Ice sheets will have returned covering the entire area.
Lake Erie is only 4,000 years old and has a depth of only 62 feet (average). The bottom of erie is rising too.
The Great Lakes as we know them are a wonderful if temporary resource.
10 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:23:01 by staytrue
这完全不重要。
文章中说Nestle公司每天能卖出去250,000加仑的瓶装水。
以这种速率，需要14,000年才能用光那些湖水(假设当前的水量不会增多或减少)。
到那时候，冰川将会再次覆盖整个湖区。
Erie湖只有4000年的历史并且达到了62英尺深(平均来说)。而且Erie湖水的底线也在上升。
如果就暂时资源来讲，五大湖的确是就我们所知最好的
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To: Windflier
Seriously...
The Chinese will piss that water into their sewage systems, where it will eventually find its way back into the natural environment, where it will evaporate, then turn to clouds which blow into the Pacific, then fall as rain over North America - thus finding its way back home again.
This is much ado about nothing, methinks.
Some of it will fall as snow on the San Francisco Peaks in Arizona and the indigs will be enraged at the Chinese too.....HO Ho ho
11 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:33:26 by S.O.S121.500
中国人会把那些水尿到下水道中。在哪里那些水最终将回到自然环境中，蒸发变成云，飘到太平洋，变成雨落到北美-于是它们又回家了。
我想这并没有什么，这只是一种自然规律。
一些会变成雪花飘落在阿里桑拿州的旧金山山脉里，这会让印第安人非常的愤怒，哈哈哈~
Ha! And they are going to get the zebra mussels too!
12 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:35:38 by Slyfox
哈！这样他们也有斑马贻贝了
(译注：斑马贻贝是一种贝壳上具有斑马花纹形条纹的水生软体动物，原产于黑海地区，而现在这种软体动物已经遍布英国、西欧、加拿大和美国的水系。斑马贻贝以浮游生物为食，由于繁殖很快可以影响整个水体的生态平衡，造成严重的经济损失。——百度百科)
The water isn’t being replenished
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Bull Squat......its going to different
places......its still on the planet. Back to school time.
13 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:39:02 by S.O.S121.500
这些水并没有及时补充
它们去了不同的地方，虽然还是在地球上。你是时候回学校读读书了。
Globalization. The great idol of those whose worship of trade and the marketplace overrules every other interest.
14 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:45:01 by Pelham
全球化。那些崇尚商业至上的大傻瓜们支配着其他人的利益
I heard about another scheme where believe it or not, the Canadians are actually stealing America’s water right out of Lake Superior, Lake Erie, Lake Ontario and Lake Huron!
15 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:46:06 by OKRA2012
我知道一个不知真假的小道消息，加拿大人的确在从美国的苏必利尔湖,休伦湖,伊利湖和安大略湖，偷水
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To: Slyfox
Send the Asian carp over there too.
16 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:55:58 by smokingfrog
把那些亚洲鲤鱼也送过去好了。
To: S.O.S121.500
Of even more dire consequences, it has been noted in some fringe scientific journals that air that you and I and every other American breaths and depends on each and every day for our mere existence is being exported from America by a space age jet stream!
It seams this jet stream exports America air from the United States and delivers it all the way to Europe and even Russia!
And the Europeans and the Russians don’t pay us a penny for our air.
17 posted on 2013年2月25日 14:56:47 by OKRA2012
甚至有更多可怕的后果。已经被一些科学小报报道,你我及其他美国人所呼吸所赖以生存的空气正被一股强大的冲击气流从美国“出口”。
而且看起来被冲击气流“出口”的美国空气一路经过欧洲甚至到了俄罗斯！
而那些欧洲人和俄罗斯人都没为此支付一美分。
There are some things that should be ‘let go’....and this is one of them. Nestle can’t possibly have a meaningful impact on the lake by bottling water out of it.
18 posted on 2013年2月25日 15:00:06 by lacrew
是应该有一些东西“让它走”...这也是其中一样。雀巢公司没太大可能靠把湖中水装瓶弄走就对其造成太大的影响。
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To: lacrew
Especially since they aren't bottling water out of the lake. They are bottling water from springs some which are in the middle of the state, as far from the Great Lakes as you can get in Michigan, which admittedly is not very far.
Yes, the level of the lake has gone down. The reason is that we have not had enough storms that come in from the south. This is an entirely different problem and one that humans can do little about.
19 posted on 2013年2月25日 15:09:47 by Harmless Teddy Bear
回复lacrew：
尤其是他们(雀巢公司)没有用湖水灌瓶装水。他们的瓶装水源是美国中部的一些泉水，但跟五大湖的距离就像密歇根州一样，不是很远。(注：密歇根州在五大湖地区)
是的，湖面下降了很多。其原因在于没有足够多的风暴从南部到来(带来降水)，这是一个截然不同的问题。我们人类对此能做的很有限。
To: staytrue; chessplayer
the article says nestle can sell 250,000 gallons a day as bottled water.
That amounts to 0.77 acre-feet/day, maximum.
By contrast, the Saint Clair River, flowing out of Lake Huron, thus draining Lake Michigan in the process, averages 4.25 acre-feet per second; over 15,000 times as much water per day.
Putting it another way, Lake Michigan contains 1,180 cu mi of water, and 1 cubic mile = 3 379 200 acre feet, or 4.3 million times the amount Nestle can suck out. And that doesn't include what's in Lake Huron, essentially a part of Lake Michigan.
Rather than worrying about where the water is going, ask where is the money flowing.
20 posted on 2013年2月25日 15:18:09 by ApplegateRanch
回复 staytrue; chessplayer：
这篇文章说雀巢一天能卖出250,000加仑的瓶装水。
就是每天抽干最大0.77英亩*英寸容积的湖水。
相比之下，流出休伦湖的圣克莱尔河平均每秒带走4.25英亩*英寸容积的水量，每天的量超过雀巢公司的15,000倍。
换个方式来说，密歇根湖的容积是1,180立方英里，而1立方英里=3 379 200 英亩*英寸，得花雀巢公司四百三十万天时间才能抽完。这还不算休伦湖，密歇根湖的一部分。
与其为湖水抽干而杞人忧天，还不如问问钱到哪儿去了。
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To: Vince Ferrer
Or, depending on who is the seller, it’s a back door campaign donation. Sounds wacky... but then there is bottled Fiji water, and it never ceases to amuse me to see people drinking bottled water that cost them over a buck a bottle at 7-11 complaining about gas prices per gallon.
21 posted on 2013年2月25日 15:35:46 by piasa
或者，这取决于谁是卖方，这是一个非法的竞选捐款。听起来很古怪的...还有瓶装的斐济水呢，搞笑的是在7-11人们消费成本超过一元钱一瓶的饮用瓶装水，却又在抱怨抱怨每加仑的天然气价格。
To: ApplegateRanch; chessplayer
While it is troublesome that 250,000 of American water Lake Michigan is being exported to China, I read about the nation of Evaporation is taking more than 20 Billion gallons of American water per day from Lake Michigan.
22 posted on 2013年2月25日 15:40:40 by OKRA2012
虽然25万加仑的密歇根湖水出口到中国是个问题，但是我读到过美国每天从密歇根湖有超过200亿加仑的水蒸发掉。
To: OKRA2012
Bush’s fault. Dadburn weather machine.
23 posted on 2013年2月25日 15:49:07 by piasa
都是布什的错。 爹烧了天气机器。
To: Windflier
Rate of the water returning. It’s not difficult to imagine its being removed faster than it can be replenished.
24 posted on 2013年2月25日 15:59:29 by wiggen
回水率。 不难想象湖水流失的速度比它被补充的速度要快的多。
To: Windflier
Exactly
Great lakes are a buttload of fresh water
Amazing
When I drive up the palm I can smell fresh water in summer in the air between Cadillac and TC
Amazing
I’m used to gulf water
25 posted on 2013年2月25日 16:05:42 by wardaddy
确切的说
湖泊就是一大瓶新鲜的淡水。
太棒了
夏天,当我驾驶的时候，在凯迪拉克和油槽车之间可以闻到空气中的新鲜的水汽.太棒了
我已经习惯了海湾水 。
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To: OKRA2012
There oughta be a law against jet streams!
26 posted on 2013年2月25日 16:45:42 by CitizenUSA
To: OKRA2012
应该要有法律来约束这种过激的行为。
To: Windflier
Lake Michigan is at an all time low, it is starting to effect shipping and commerce.
Yes, this is having a dramatic effect on those of us who live here.
27 posted on 2013年2月25日 17:43:02 by exnavy
To: Windflier
密歇根湖长期的低水位，使得这里的航运和贸易受到影响，从而对当地居民造成严重影响。
To: S.O.S121.500
The water isn’t being replenished ~~~~~ Bull Squat......its going to different places......its still on the planet. Back to school time.
They aren't say it vanishes but that it "isn't being replenished" locally.
That's like saying if you spend more money than you earn, it is being replenished because it is going to someone else.
Or if I steal your money, it is being replenished since it is going to a different place. My wallet.
Now replace the word 'money' with 'water.'
28 posted on 2013年2月25日 18:37:23 by Right Wing Assault
To: S.O.S121.500
水没有得到再生~~~~~牛逼的言论……水只是去了其它地方(并不是没有再生)，它仍然在这个星球上。你应该回学校再学习下。
他们并不是说水消失了，而是没有回到当地。
这就好比说你花的钱比你挣的钱多，那你必定是从别人那里拿到钱填补差额了。
或者说假如我偷了你的钱，那么我的钱包就得到了补充。
现在把“钱”用“水”来代替。
To: Right Wing Assault
Matter or energy can neither be created nor destroyed.Those little atoms go round and round. The speed of the cycle is marginally influenced by the amount of solar insolation, but tends to be constant.
Put your apples and oranges back into the fruit bowl...go back to a school. Laws are immutable.
29 posted on 2013年2月25日 18:57:03 by S.O.S121.500
To: Right Wing Assault
物质和能量是守恒的。水不断的循环，太阳的辐射对水循环的速度有轻微的影响，但总体上来说水循环的速度是一定的。把你的苹果和橘子放回碗中，该去上学了。定律是不可更改的。
To: OKRA2012
It seams this jet stream exports America air from the United States and delivers it all the way to Europe and even Russia!
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But the nice jet stream brings us more....from Russia even....must be cyclic. Hmmmmm
30 posted on 2013年2月25日 19:01:31 by S.O.S121.500
这股喷射气流似乎把美国的空气输出到了欧洲甚至俄罗斯！但这股气流也让我们受益匪浅…从俄罗斯甚至…一定是大气循环的作用，嗯…
What are the sources for this story ‘cause I couldn’t find any.
Hard to believe it would be worth shipping to Asia. Nestle water sells for about $0.25 a bottle retail in Thailand which is about the same as local brands, in other words, not at a premium. I assume the price in China is similar.
31 posted on 2013年2月25日 19:18:21 by expat1000
这则报道可靠吗？我找不到它的来源。
把水用船运往亚洲？很难相信值这个价。在泰国一瓶雀巢矿泉水的零售价为0.25美元，和当地品牌价格相当。换言之，并非奇货可居。我觉得在中国价格应该也差不多。
Two words can explain what’s happening in the Great Lakes Basin. Hydrologic Alteration. Mankind has exceeded the amount of water he can store behind dams in reservoirs around the World. Since the 1940’s,the Chinese alone have dammed up more water than 4 of the 5 Great Lakes, over 8,000 cubic kilometers. They are also exporting their craft of engineering and building dams all over the World. The Amazon River and it’s tributaries are currently being developed. This is having a huge impact on ancient weather patterns and...wait...CLIMATE CHANGE!!! If carbon emissions were really the problem, we would all be dead from black lung by now.
32 posted on 2013年2月25日 19:38:16 by Dixie Yooper
两个词可以解释五大湖盆地发生了什么。水文变化(Hydrologic Alteration)。世界范围内，人类通过水库大坝过度蓄水。自20世纪40年代起，仅中国一国就通过筑坝拦水，蓄积了超过五大湖之四的水量总和——约8000立方千米。他们还出口工程技术，在世界各地筑起许多水坝。目前，亚马逊河及其支流已经被过度开发。这使得古代气候类型受到了巨大影响，并将酿成气候变化！如果碳排放量才是罪魁祸首，那我们现在就该得黑肺病而死了。
