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【话说比特币到底是啥玩意。?】神奇的电子货币:比特币--别让比特币把你坑了

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【楼主】2013-05-17 11:29

» 神奇的电子货币:比特币--别让比特币把你坑了
    (CNN) -- In recent days, Bitcoins have enjoyed a media buzz as the value of one Bitcoin jumped on several Bitcoin exchanges to more than $200 per Bitcoin. But by Wednesday, itfell to $105 .
    
    最近,比特币由于在兑换中价值达每个200美元而被媒体议论。但是截至礼拜三,其兑换价格已经跌到每个105美元。
    
    Bitcoins are an attempt at creating an electronic currency that is beyond the control of any government. They are created through a digital mining system, in which digital "miners" are granted Bitcoins by using their computers to do computations that verify Bitcoin transactions. Pretty clever.
    
    比特币是创造一种不被任何政府控制的经济货币的尝试。通过电脑挖掘系统——电子“矿工”利用他们的电脑运行一段特定的计算指令从而创造出比特币。真是聪明的做法。
    
    With allegedly strict rules on the creation of Bitcoins, the money supply is limited. Theoretically, no government can water down the Bitcoin with any type of quantitative easing. As a result, Bitcoins seem to present the best of all possible worlds -- the convenience of modern digital payment technology and the stability of a fixed money supply.
    
    按照比特币严格的创造规则,这种货币的供应是有限的。理论上,没有政府能通过任何形式的量化宽松政策来稀释比特币(引自dbmail的修改)。结果就是比特币好像展示了一个完美的世界——便利的现代电子付款技术和一种稳定的货币。
    
    Fearmongers point out that banks are no longer safe as government authorities in the European Union have signaled their willingness to confiscate funds from even insured depositors. Those fearing the collapse of their local currency or their local banking system won't have to lug around hunks of metal as a way to store their wealth. Why not turn to Bitcoins?
    
    Fearmongers指出,银行已经不再安全,因为欧盟当局已经显示出他们甚至会从储户保险账户中没收资金。那些担心当地货币或当地银行系统的崩溃的人将不得不随身拉着大块金属,来作为他们储存财富的方式。比特币难道不会吗?
    
    The near anonymity built into the Bitcoin system keeps funds away from the prying eyes of tax collectors, who are getting ever better at shutting down tax havens. This potential for anonymity makes the currency ideal for drug smugglers, terrorists and money launderers, as well as the merely paranoid.
    
    比特币近似匿名的建造方式让资金远离那些在打击偷税漏税上做的越来越好的税务官的眼睛。这种匿名方式的潜力表现在毒品走私、恐怖主义和洗钱,以及那些仅仅是偏执狂的人。
    
    So are Bitcoins the currency of the future? I think not.
    
    那么比特币是未来的货币吗?我认为不是。
    
    No one really knows who is really behind Bitcoins, as the creator is just a pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto. That in itself should be a huge red flag. I would certainly not trust my life savings to some mysterious computer algorithm created by shadowy anonymous characters in a system that attracts underworld types.
    
    没有人知道比特币后面隐藏着什么,因为他的创造者也只是用了一个中本聪的假名,这本质上应该就是一个巨大的红色标记(标记某种秘密文件的记号)。我当然不会让我毕生的积蓄来依靠一些神秘的计算机运算法则,而且它还是由一个鲜为人知的匿名角色在一个能吸引黑社会中的系统中创造出来的(引自dbmail的修改)。
    
    One of the self-proclaimed largest Bitcoin exchanges is Mt. Gox. The name originally stood for Magic: The Gathering Exchange, an online site designed to trade cards used in playing the card game popular with the younger set. An exchange based on trading kiddy cards does not seem like a sound foundation for a monetary system.
    
    Mt.Gox是自称最大的比特币交易站之一。这个名字最初代表着魔法风云会交易所(Magic:The Gathering的中文译名是魔法风云会,是一种由威世智公司开发的集换式卡牌游戏,又叫万智牌。)是一款在年轻人中非常流行的卡片游戏的线上交易网站。基于玩具卡片的交易模式对货币体系来说不像是一种稳固的基础(引自dbmail的修改)。
    There is no government regulating participants in the system to prevent fraud and abuse. I would not be surprised if the Bitcoin mining software becomes a magnet for computer viruses. After all, the tax evaders, drug dealers and terrorists attracted to Bitcoin would not be likely to cooperate with authorities when they have been hacked and robbed.
    
    由于系统中没有政府调控人员阻止欺骗和滥用。我毫不惊讶比特币挖掘软件将会变成吸引电脑病毒的磁铁。毕竟,偷税的,毒贩子和恐怖份子之所以被比特币吸引,是因为在他们侵入或者劫持政府时不太可能会和当局合作。
    
    It would be close to the perfect crime to create a pseudomonetary system that rips off other evildoers. Just be careful when the bad guys find out where you live.
    
    创造一种宰其他罪犯的伪货币系统已经接近完美犯罪了(引自dbmail的修改)。当坏家伙知道你住哪里的时候,小心点。
    
    Even if the system is not one big scam designed to enrich its shadowy creators, it can be hacked and can break like any technology. The authorities won't be too eager to help out Bitcoin-based financial enterprises when they get in trouble, just as they were all too eager to punish the depositors of the Cyprus banks storing questionable funds from Russian oligarchs.
    
    即使这个系统不是一个让它神秘的创造者富得流油的骗局,它也会像其他技术一样被侵入、破解。当一个基于比特币的集团陷入困境的时候,政府当局不会那么热情去帮助它的,仅仅就像他们也没什么热情去惩罚一个存有俄罗斯寡头可疑存款的塞浦路斯银行。
    
    Rather than being a safe place to keep money, the exchange rate of Bitcoins relative to other global currencies has fluctuated wildly. The recent jumps on price give all of the impression of being a bubble that could soon pop. If Bitcoin ever could establish itself as a legitimate payment scheme, which I doubt, it's hard to tell what the appropriate exchange rates should be with respect to other currencies.
    
    这可不是一个存钱的安全地点,比特币的汇率波动比世界上其它货币来的更加剧烈。最近一次价格跳水给了我们所有人一个泡沫可以很快破裂的深刻印象。如果比特币能像一个合法的支付体制一样将自身稳定下来——对此我很怀疑——很难说和与世界上上其它货币的合适汇率会是多少。
    
    Bitcoins are not the first attempt to create digital money. Other ventures, such as Cybercash, have come and gone, as well as various attempts to create local currencies. Governments don't like the competition. Managing a currency is a very profitable activity for governments, and they depend on seignorage -- the profit stemming from printing money -- in various degrees to cover budget deficits.
    
    比特币不是第一个创造电子货币的尝试的。其他的尝试,如Cybercash(电子货币),以及那些尝试创造当地货币的,来了又走了。政府不喜欢竞争。对政府来说,控制货币是一种非常赚钱的行为,这依靠于发行权——其中的利润在于印刷货币——这很大程度上掩盖了财政赤字。
    
    Indeed, one can always pay the troops by printing more almost worthless money, as the U.S. did in the American Revolution and Robert Mugabe did in Zimbabwe. One can expect governments to throw up legal roadblocks to prevent such competition from cutting into the lucrative business of printing money.
    
    确实,人们可以通过印刷几乎不值钱的货币来支付给军队,就想美国在美国革命时做的和Robert Mugabe在津巴布韦做的。人们可以期待政府将印刷货币的利润给抛弃,进而将阻止此类竞争的法律屏障给撤掉。
    
    Moreover, it would not be good for the global economic system to have a totally fixed money supply. A growing economy needs a money supply that grows at the same rate to keep prices stable. Much as we love to criticize the governmental entities that control the monetary system, it does help to have some human judgment (armed with a checkbook) involved to deal with crises.
    
    此外,对于全球经济体系来说,一个固定来源的货币也不是一个好的选择。一个增长的经济需要一个以同样速率增长的货币来保证物价的稳定。就算我们多喜欢批评控制货币体系的政府,但是它确实是有助于应对危机的一些人的判断(拿着支票的人)。
    
    Our banking system is as safe as it is because there are lenders of last resort who can create more money in a crisis to protect the entire system from collapsing in a liquidity crisis. Iceland and Cyprus have discovered how painful it is to have a banking system without such a deep pocket lender of last resort.
    
    我们的银行体系已经很安全了,因为那有一个可以印刷货币的最后贷款人,可以在流动危机中保护我们的整个体系不至于崩溃。冰岛和塞浦路斯已经发现一个没有实力的最后贷款人会带来怎样惨痛的一个教训。
    
    A financial system based on Bitcoins would have no possibility of there being such a backstop. In short, Bitcoins look like quite a bit of trouble.
    
    在存在如此多的障碍的情况下,基于比特币的经济体系是没有可能的。总之,比特币看起来充满问题。
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    There are some decent arguments against bitcoins in particular, but this author doesn't make them. He just seems to hate the entire concept of a currency that can't be manipulated by governments. He writes like an oil company owner condemning wind power. Except, of course, that CNN actually printed his article.
    More hypocrisy.
    
    有一些相当好的反对比特币的讨论,但是这个作者不属于其中。他看起来好像只是讨厌不受国家操控的货币这一概念。除了可以被CNN发表之外,他写的东西完全就像石油公司反对风能一样。
    多么虚伪。
    
    (回复)The banks and government depend on coercing people to work for them.
    If people are working for themselves and the banks/gov't can't take a cut,
    they can't survive. We hear a lot about freedom from our politicians, but that's what they want for themselves. What they want from us is subservience. And many are fool enough to proudly give it to them.
    
    银行和政府依靠的是强迫人们为他们工作。如果人们为自己工作,银行或者政府拿不到任何利润,便无法生存。我们听到许多政客谈论自由,但那是他们给自己准备的。他们希望我们是“奉献”(而非自由)。并且许多人愚蠢地一脸自豪将自己奉献给他们。
    
    (回复)This article is the most blatant piece of propaganda I've read in years, other than what typically comes from the North Korean media.
    Authorities are clearly running scared because BITCOIN IS A DIGITAL VERSION OF GOLD.
    
    这篇文章是我今年来看过的最厚颜无耻的宣传文章,比那些典型的从朝鲜流出来的更甚。
    政府显然是害怕了,因为比特币是黄金的电子替代品!!!
    
    (回复)how exactly is bitcoin anything like gold? bitcoin could be replaced with zitcoin tomorrow it has no unique non replicable traits
    
    到底比特币哪一点像黄金了?明天,比特币可以被Z特币代替,它没有一点不可复制的特点。
    
    (回复)No, but it is an agreed upon standard to replace currency. It's very, very complicated to mine making the output of bitcoins regulated so as to keep prices up. If people continue to buy into the bitcoin craze, then it would continue to be digital gold.
    It's also great for things like silk road and whatnot, but I'm not getting into that.
    
    确实没有,但是它将会替代货币是一个共识。按照规则,挖矿产出比特币是一件非常非常复杂的事情,所以价值会一直升高。如果人们一直保持购买比特币的狂热,那么它就是电子黄金。
    
    (回复)it has inherent value other than as defined by a bank or government
    
    它有着不被银行或者政府所定义的内在价值。
    
    (回复)digital, aka. illusional, not real.The least significant bits they are
    
    电子,又叫做虚假的,不真实。比特是最不重要的东西
    
    
    Yeesh. The problem was that amateur folks were confusing the BTC with a commodity as opposed to a currency, which it is. THAT's why the bubble burst.
    
    嗯~~~问题在于那些业余的家伙混淆了,比特币是一种商品,而非货币。这就是为什么泡沫爆炸了。
    
    
    This is a very good example of typical main stream media scaremongering the sheeple away from cryptocurrency which tells me that bitcoins is definitely on "the radar" ;)
    
    这是一个非常好的主流媒体散布谣言令P民远离加密币的例子,这告诉我比特币肯定在他们的“雷达”上了。(译注:应该是指比特币被那些反电子货币的主流媒体盯上了)。(引自dbmail的修改)
    
    
    o yeah! im going to get an account!
    
    欧耶,我要去搞个账户。
    
    
    No one really knows who is really behind Bitcoins, . I would certainly not trust my life savings to some mysterious
    computer algorithm created by shadowy anonymous characters...
    Why should we care about who has created bitcoin ? The algorythm is absolutely NOT mysterious at all it is PUBLIC. Everyone, even you , can read the source and even modify it. This is a silly argument we can often read here and there and I'll give the same silly answer. Do you really know what's behind your Iphone technology (i don't know why but i 'm pretty sure you have an iphone^^) ? Do you really understand the GSM protocol ? Probably not (and neither do I by the way) but still we use it everyday to exchange sometime some really private things ! And the technology behing it is in that case REALLY shadowy, mysterious and secret (because protected by the people who develop it).“
    
    谁也不知道比特币后面隐藏着什么……我绝对不会把我的钱存进去的”
    为什么我们一定要关心谁创造了比特币?那段算法绝对不是神秘的,是完全开放的,谁都可以去阅读它改变它,甚至是你。当我们随便哪里都可以读源代码的时候,这个讨论显得那么愚蠢,我也可以给你一个同样愚蠢的回答。你知道你的iphone技术背后隐藏着谁吗?(虽然不知道为什么,但我确定你有iphone^^)?你真的了解GSM协议吗?也许不(话说回来,我也了解)但是我们依然每天使用它交换我们的信息,有的时候是非常隐私的信息!但是隐藏在背后技术是那么的隐秘,神秘和秘密(被开发他的人所保护)
    
    
    The peak in interest for BitCoin was due to Tax Season. Some journalist published something about using BitCoin to evade taxes and how to use it as a tax haven. Hence the negative propaganda from American Media. If the US can't collect it's taxes, that means the boys in Washington can't play ball in the global arena.. Whether or not BitCoin is a viable currency, it simply goes to show how that greed will always fuel the free market folks. lol.
    
    关于比特币的兴趣达到一个峰值是因为纳税的季节到了。一些记者写了一些关于如何使用比特币来逃税的文章。因此负面的报道在美国媒体中兴起。如果美国收不上税就意味着华盛顿的那些哥们不能在全球舞台上掺一脚了。无论比特币是不是一个可能的货币,只是显示出贪婪是如何驱动那些自由市场上的家伙们。哈哈哈
    
    
    You sound like an old fart!
    
    你听起来像一股老屁!
    
    
    CNN ... what a JOKE. Its so obvious that this is "Yellow Journalism" created out of fear of a currency with a high degree of accountability. You don't have to buy thousands of dollars worth, I just bought .05 for 7$ on ebay. People throw away thousands of dollars in casinos why not throw 20$ into a digital wallet and see what it does?
    
    CNN……太可笑了。明显是一个“黄色新闻”,夸大了问题的严重性)。你不需要买数以千计美元价值的,我就只在ebay上买了0.05个,价值7美元。人们在赌场上挥洒千金,为什么不能买20美元(的比特币)放在电子钱包里,然后看看后续会如何?
    
    (注:黄色新闻是19世纪末美国纽约两大黄色报纸——《世界报》和《纽约新闻报》惯用的煽情主义手法。而它是那些为了迎合低层读者的情趣,以犯罪、凶杀、色情、小说连载等刺激性、消遣性文章和漫画为内容的“黄色报纸”经常使用的一种新闻报道手法。)
    
    
    who accepts bitcoins? can I buy groveries with it? pay my water bill? credit cards bill? deposit it in my savings account or retirement fund?
    
    谁接受了比特币?我能用它买东西吗?付我的水费?信用卡账单?攒在我的储蓄账户或者退休金里面?
    
    
    If bitcoins didn't get cheaper before 4/20 many regular users of the currency would probably have opted out from buying goodies this year. The mainstream media's understanding of bitcoins is sometimes too complex and sometimes in terms of cryptography they try to just say that technology is risky. They don't understand how impossible tricking all the nodes of the system would be. Where as fiat currency has banks and departments of government, bitcoins have sci-fi loving miners with an infallible sense of justice and logic. Greedy bankers vs. Sci-Fi loving Miners | You decide who you want controlling the flow of valued currency into a market place, make the choice between the constant speculation of fiat currency or the legitimacy of a international crypto-currency.
    
    如果在4月20之前,比特币没有降下来的话,用户们可能今年就会选择买一些杂货了。主流媒体关于比特币的认识有时候过于复杂了,有时候他们一边直接拿一串加密的代码来替代了,一边说这种技术是冒险的。他们不明白怎么可能欺骗系统上所有的结点。法定的货币有着银行和政府部门的支持,比特币有着(电子)矿工们的支持,他们爱好科幻,有着可靠的正义感和逻辑。贪婪的银行家VS爱好科幻的(电子)矿工。你想让谁来控制市场上的资金流,是投机的法定常规货币还是合理的神秘网络货币,你来选择。
    
    (回复)Why if they don't get cheaper many regular users would opt out from buying goodies? Can't you spend fractions of a bitcoin?
    
    为什么比特币没有降下来的话,用户们可能今年就会选择买一些杂货?你能把一个比特币拆开来用吗?
    
    
    After researching bitcoin mining, I came to only one logical conclusion. Bitcoin was created by energy (oil) companies to make us waste energy so they can make more money.
    The fact that it is a virtual currently without any underlying value what so ever; and that you can get free bitcoins by burning through tons of electricity (wasting resources) makes it a very scary idea for investment and especially for usage.
    If I used bitcoin to pay for the same things, one day I would have to pay 2 bits, next day 4, day later 3... it is just not how currency works. This is just a speculative hot air.
    
    经过对比特币挖掘的研究,我只得出一个符合逻辑的答案,比特币是能源(石油)公司创造出来的,目的在于让我们消耗更多的能源,以便他们赚更多的钱。
    事实是那是一种虚拟的没有任何潜在价值的货币,你可以通过消耗数以吨计的电力(浪费资源)来获得免费的比特币,这让这个主意变得非常可怕,特别是在资源的消耗上。
    假设我用比特币来购买一个相同的东西,第一天我付个,第二天4个,再过一天3个……货币不是这样的。这只是一堆投机的炙热的空气(消耗燃料之后
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:31


    归纳起来就是
    
    
    这东西是坑人的 说那么多干嘛啊
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:31


    在中国还是赚qb吧
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:32


    2011年6月,有黑客将25000比特币转进自己户头,其相当于50万美金。整个交易无法被追踪,虽然比特币的拥有者在网上公布了这起失窃,但却没用,这个黑客也成了比特币的第一个偷窃者。
    2012年,由于网站托管供应商Linode的服务器超级管理密码泄露,价值228,845美元的46703比特币失窃。超过4.3万的失窃比特币属于一家比特币交易平台Bitcoinica,另外3094比特币为捷克程序员Marek Palatinus所有,比特币首席程序员GavinAndersen也失去了他的5比特币。
    2013年2月17日,社交新闻网站Reddit表示,将接受通过虚拟货币比特币的付款。此前,博客平台WordPress已宣布接受比特币付款。Reddit的Gold服务已接受用户通过PayPal和谷歌钱包的付款,在支持比特币支付之后,Reddit将可以接受来自世界任何国家用户的付费。
    2013年2月18日,Kim Dotcom刚刚通过Twitter宣布,Megaupload的继任者Mega,现已支持比特币(Bitcoin)作为其云存储服务的支付方式。你可以通过Mega最新的转销商Bitvoucher,使用比特币购买你的Mega服务。
    2013年2月19日,比特币客户端Bitcoin-Qt0.8.0版发布,该版本做了重大变动,以改进性能,并控制日益增长的交易数据体积。
    2013年3月6日,比特币突破45美元,成为历史高位。
    2013年3月12日,比特币网络故障导致价格大跌。
    2013年3月20日,比特币一举突破60美元大关,成为历史新高。
    2013年3月21日,重要版本更新0.8.1版本,否则老版本的客户端将无法同步。
    2013年4月04日,比特币突破人民币1050元,成为历史高位。
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:34


    我总觉得这个比特币是一种新型网络传销……
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:36


    国内有了啊
    QB啊
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:41


    Reply Post by maioro (2013-05-17 11:36):
    
    国内有了啊
    QB啊
    
    显然不一样。刚百度了下,这玩意全球通用。
    刚上一个比特币网站上看了下,目前汇率是1比特币:116美元
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:42


    Reply Post by maioro (2013-05-17 11:36):
    
    国内有了啊
    QB啊
    
    你想多了,QB是硬通货……
    QB以腾讯的信用为基础,腾讯不倒这玩意就是9毛一个……
    比特币本质上就是老鼠会/传销
    


网友评论2013-05-17 11:43


    没有维持贸币信用的物质基础,我不觉得比特币能有什么用。
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:44


    前几天chh不是有个二手挖矿机卖了30多万。。
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:46


    艹还有人拿这玩意宣传?!
    打着科普的口号,忽悠人砍了算了。
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:49


    Reply Post by 小手没红过 (2013-05-17 11:46):
    
    艹还有人拿这玩意宣传?!
    打着科普的口号,忽悠人砍了算了。
    
    我百度了下,仍然不理解这东西到底如何产生实际价值的。
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:54


    每次到了要出货找人接盘时,就是一波宣传
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:56


    AB两个卖烧饼的,A买B一个烧饼1块钱,B再买A一个烧饼1块钱
    然后A买B一个烧饼2块钱,B再买A一个烧饼2块钱
    然后A买B一个烧饼3块钱,B再买A一个烧饼3块钱
    ……
    最后烧饼变成了100块钱一个
    而且AB宣称烧饼的量非常少,不会贬值,可以作为保值增值的手段
    而周围的人在看着,他们并不饿,或者说有其他的食物可以代替
    除了两个卖烧饼的越来越高兴,其他人就把它们当猴看就行了
    
    这东西如果成为不了大部分人接受的等价交换品的话,只能是个笑话
    
网友评论2013-05-17 11:57


    Reply Post by 朱翼织羽为长心 (2013-05-17 11:49):
    
    我百度了下,仍然不理解这东西到底如何产生实际价值的。
    
    没有实际价值
    
    它生来就是作为货币的,因为它凝结了无差别的人类劳动
    
    不过么..没有使用价值和国家信用保障,现在的地位就是某些组织用来洗钱的手段
    
网友评论2013-05-17 12:01


    我看到开头那句前一段时间200美元,现在100多点
    
    就想起了前一阵子那波比特币的宣传攻势
    
网友评论2013-05-17 12:03


    好像这个叫啥的彼特哔交易网站被关闭了啊··
    
网友评论2013-05-17 12:04


    Reply Post by 黑暗代言MAN (发表于:2013-05-17 11:57):
    
    
    没有实际价值
    
    它生来就是作为货币的,因为它凝结了无差别的人类劳动
    
    不过么..没有使用价值和国家信用保障,现在的地位就是某些组织用来洗钱的手段
    这仅仅商品的价值属性吧,光有无差别劳动还不能作为货币
    
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网友评论2013-05-17 12:10


    参见isk
    

    
    
    

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